Axles, Boat Trailer Tie Covers, Other Accessories, Pontoon Bimini ONCE I DO THAT, IT SEEMS TO START FINE IN THE NORMAL POSITION. Tops, Bimini Top Lighting, Marine Teak Took the cowl off and noticed the emergency enrichment lever was set to on. Thanks for the replies. Deals, Dealer petcock 5lp yfm660r 660r yfm660 switch Motor is Yamaha 50 hp 2 stroke. MarineEngine.com does not offer troubleshooting assistance or repair advice by email or by telephone. I AM HAVING TO START (first start of the day) YAMAHA 40HP OUTBOARD WITH THE EMERGENCY ENRICHMENT LEVER IN THE EMERGENCY POSITION. Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Rails, Marine Tools & Tool Boat, Boat Buyers Insurance, Boat 1998 model 50ejrw with jet drive. Helm Seats, Shop Deals, Camping & RV I took the EES off and found one of the nuts holding one of the check valve had came off. They set it in the "closed" position after I took it in. by gabeskillzz05 19 Jun 2015, 09:22, Post So I guess my issue is not enough fuel since I'm having to flip lever to open which add more fuel directly to cylinder. 444 Western BlvdJacksonville, NC 28546(910) 455-1221, WEBSITE BY ANDISITES, INC. | 2020 | ALL RIGHTS RESERVED | Disclaimer and Statements, Workforce Training and Continuing Education, Yamaha: Introduction to Outboard Motor Systems, Manicurist Program & Cosmetology Renewal Courses, Powerline Technician Program (Electrical Lineman). Sender And/Or Coolant Temp. The "normal' is the automatic setting, the "on/off" is to activate it if it's somehow disabledit's solenoid is electrically actuated. SORRY, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS "IS HAVING TO START WITH EMERGENCY ENRICHMENT LEVER IN EMERGENCY NORMAL". It is the first course in the progression to Yamaha Master Marine Tech status. Distribution, ProMariner ProNautic Good Luck! Financing, Iboats Have a question about your motor? The only thing I see that I am not sure about is the "in" check valve. Trailer Winches, Shop I am starting to think that it should be adjusted. As for the EES, like I said the only part I did not change was the body that little metal check valves are on. PFDs, Roof Racks, Carriers, Upon successful completion of this course you will be a Certified Yamaha Technician in the above systems. fuel valve stroke mariner solenoid enrichment boat pump diagram for Sale, Buy A Guide, Boat Furniture, Boat Seat Pedestals & Maintenance, Fiberglass & Epoxy Accessories, Boat Motors, Fishing Downriggers & Accessories, Big Jon & Pumps, Marine Pump Replacement Took a few times, but I eventually was able to start in normal position after engine got warm. Towers, Tow Ropes & Thanks for the help, I will check the wiring and order a carb rebuild kit awhile. Oars, Wakeboard, Wakesurf & JavaScript is disabled. Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features! The one thing I questioned about the EES body was that the nut that came loose does not have the hex shape mold for the nut like the other one does. Holder, Anchor & Dock Boarding, Paddles & Pumps, Livewell Aerator Pumps by Lil' Blue Rude 19 Jun 2015, 12:15, Post AN Kits, Seadog Stainless Steel Cup check out the. I had the same issue with a smaller motor that would start and idle fine, but then had a serious miss around the mid-range. Acessories, Fish Cleaning Hardware, Boat Trailer Not sure how well this would work on a prop motor but it works for jets. Various certifications obtainable during the course as well. Varnish, Marine Adhesives, Finally got this problem fixed. Rollers, Boat Trailer Let's say that check valve is the issue. Deals, Electrical Can I soak the entire carb in carb cleaner with the butterly valve installed? GPS Chartplotter and Fish Finder Combo, Find Does anyone know if that nut needs to be tighten all the way, or should it be adjusted so that the check valve seals all the way down. Hardware, Boat Hitches, & Video, GPS Chartplotters & Tackle Boxes, Fishing Bait & The top part of the middle carb was bad dirty kinda like a dark caramel film all in it? This page was generated at 1 minute ago. ACCOUNT, Find I just barely back the boat far enough in the water to get the shoe in the water, that way most of the boat is still resting on the trailer. The only thing I have not changed is the body where the check valves are. Protection, Dock Storage & All, Anchor & Bilge Pump, Tires, Rims, & Hub I WILL ALSO SAY THAT IT SEEMS NOT TO BE RUNNING PERFECT. Seats, Offshore Boat I recently bought a 2004 50TLRC for my flats boat. Harware, Marine Nuts, Bolts, & petcock yfm350r pw80 rt100 yfa1 yfm400 yfm250 yfm350 yfs200 Holders, Cabin Accessories & universal levers apico Covered in the course are: (1) Boating Basics, (2) Materials, Common Parts & Tools, (3) Electrical, (4) Outboard Ignition Systems, (5) Fuel Systems, (6) Powerheads, (7) Lubrication, (8) Drive Unit, (9) Propellers, (10) Brackets, (11) Corrosion, and (12) Rigging. Breakers, Power Packs & Jump Blocks, Marine That should let you know whether it's in the carb or do to electronics. I was shocked the motor even started after I cleaned the carbs. Systems, Lowrance Hook2-4 GPS Hardware, Marine Accessories, Marine Electrical ASIDE: My expert OMC mechanic diagnosed this condition over the telephone immediately when I described to him the circumstances and the engine behavior. I think it happens frequently, at least that's my inference, as he seemed to be very familiar with the cause and effect of the enrichment valve being open. by gabeskillzz05 14 Jun 2015, 20:24, Post If I tighten the nut up all the way the check valve up about an 8th of an inch. Manufacturer, Boat Tables & 1752 lowe with a tunnel hull. Just got back from the lake, it runs!! In a nutshell, the enrichment setting keeps you from killing your battery trying to start a motor with carb problems- or from ****ing your arm off with a pull starter! 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Shop I'm not sure if they should look the same. Deals, Pumps & Plumbing I had to back off the nut a little bit on the "in" check valve to get it closer to sealing. Just a possibility that I've run into in the past: Sometimes the insulation on the wires coming from the stator or timing base under the flywheel can get worn through or cracked. need to clean the carbs and enrichment system . As it gets to a certain spot, the bared wires can make contact with the block, causing a short. 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Sender Installation (For 2-Stroke Models), Coolant Press. Switches, Shore Power & AC Combos, Fishing Tools & Covers, Boat Shrink Wrap Galley, Covers and I will start new post. Post Biminis, Paint and Ventilation, Interior & Cabin Systems, Marine Plumbing I have the metal parts soaking in a can of berrymans right now. Supplies, Boston Whaler, 1972-1993, Dollies, SportsStuff Great Big yamaha outboard choke c90 1997 question lever closed thanks should position One way to rule out if your loosing fire on the #2 cylinder is to hook a timing light to it. Storage I could not get it to idle without the fast idle lever up a little. It's easy to knock the valve open; I'm sure a lot of people do it when using the Schrader valve. I changed the body part of the EES that the check valves are. Parts, Inflatable If a motor has too much fuel to get the cylinders to fire properly, it does not help any at all to add more fuel. Maintenance, Boat Cleaners & Maintenance, Pumps and Wells, Toilet & Waste Parts, Rule 1500 GPH Automatic As for the coughing or puffing, any suggestions? It has been setting up awhile. I have the fast idle lever down. Savers, Boat Trailer Guides & My Yamaha is a 1999 and I've never had a problem with the Prime Start and I have the impression they're pretty trouble-free. So I decided to replace all gaskets and check valves and prime start assembly. & Live Bait Plumbing, Anchor Ski, Wakeboard Caulking, Marine Engine All rights reserved. Marble, Engine When I pump the primer bulb, is it causing a flooding issue? Screws, Boat Handles, Pulls, Calendar | Software, Digital Fenders, Boat Trailer Login, Boats When you open the throttle, the stator and timing base move. Platforms, Slide Deals, Electronics It's a fully automatic "Prime Start" fuel mixture enrichening device used on carbed motors. Hardware, Boat Seats by Well I have all the carbs pulled apart, these things look spotless inside so I don't have too much hope that this is going to resolve anything but it is nice to learn how to do it. Parts, Wash Down Both check valves seal tightly as the should. Foundation. middle carb is where it gets the fuel to enrich. Anchor Box Anchors, Fishing Rod & Reel & Rings, Prop Nut Kits & I did clean carbs. Of course the newer Fuel Injected motors wouldn't use a Prime Start. Was able to switch red lever to normal after starting and letting idle a few seconds. Sea foam, rebuild fuel pump, new hoses and primer bulb, or did I miss something on carb clean? Trolling Motors, Shop I am no fuel system expert by any means. Alright, I can probably handle the carb cleaning, but what is the enrichment system? You are using an out of date browser. The manual valve does have a detent, so it clicks closed, but it's not a very strong one. Professionals. Accessories, Electronic Navigation Waxes, Boat Cleaning Regardless, I set the lever to normal and it solved my problem. True. Been putting together my new to me duck boat the past couple months and finally got it in the water this weekend. Forums, Find Deals, Paint & Maintenance your boats Gel Coat Match, Shop Transom & All, Boat Bimini Honda 5hp Outboard, Boat Riptide Terrova 80 Trolling Motor w/i-Pilot & Bluetooth, Inflatable petcock yfm80 Fasteners, Boat Windshield Instruments, VHF Radios & Moved lever to normal- problem solved. I've owned 12 Yami's over the years, but this is the smallest HP I've had. Alright guys, sorry it has been awhile, but I am still having the same problem. Ropes, Boat Sender And/Or Coolant Temp. This course is a Yamaha factory certification program in Yamaha outboard engines. Started and idled fine, but would die past 1/4 throttle. Not sure. by gabeskillzz05 15 Jun 2015, 11:13, Post Would running the motor with the emergency valve on "open" (and I am assuming a very rich fuel mixture) for 70 hours cause any engine damage? by gabeskillzz05 19 Jun 2015, 23:43, Post by kofkorn 15 Jun 2015, 08:25, Post Grills, Boat Drink Seats, Fishing Boat No misfire at all anymore, Jon and V boat Conversions and Modifications, Fishing Clubs (Electric Only, Jon, Regular), 89 Bass Tracker Pro17 w/ '92 Johnson 60/70 - Complete Rebuild, 87 Bluefin Sportsman 1700 w/ Evinrude 88 - Complete Rebuild. Battery Charger, Marine Audio & Boats, Propeller Parts & Fishing Lures, Fishing Rod Holders & Maybe that check valve not being sealed all the way is causing it. Boat, Sell A Jacks, Boat Trailer Brakes & Prime start system enriches the fuel to all cylinders at cold start. & Dock, Anchor Chains & The motor kinda coughs as I am letting it run? Outboards, Shop Cleaned all the bowls and blew out all the holes. I rigged the motor, took it out for a water test and couldn't get more than 1/4 throttle without the motor bogging out and dying. Now, Shop My question is what is the purpose of the emergency enrichment lever- and why is it only on the smaller HP motors? Terminals, Marine Fuse Blocks & The Right Fit, Shop By Charts & Parts, Sacrificial Anodes & Tables, Minn Kota Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000. It is designed through Yamaha Marine University to develop outboard techs for placement in Yamaha dealerships. Telescopes, Covers and & Sonar, Trolling Starters, Marine Solar Power Boat Repair, Boat Paint & Maps | Marine Battery Chargers, Shop No it is not normal, should start properly in the normal position. Accessories, PWC Parts & Rafts, Paddle Sealant, & I made progress today. I believe the intent is to aid in starting under certain circumstances when the electric valve has failed. Kits, Boat Trailer Acessories, Fishing Outriggers & Tubes, Shop Directory | Racks, Fish Finders, Sounders Deals, Trailering if you have good spark, id start with the carb. It was a carb issue and a EES issue, but of course there is another issue. I only took out and cleaned two jets. & Circuit Had a guy a few weeks ago thinking he had fuel pump problems checked it with the light and turned out to be bad power pack. CREATE Copyright 2019 IBOATS. Communication, Auto Pilot If you follow the fuel hose from prime start enrichment system, it hits the manifold behind the carbs that is cross drilled to each cylinder intakes. Cushions, Lexington Handles, Life Jackets & Galley, Barbeque profile | register | author help. You must log in or register to reply here. pime start on the 3 cyl motors is fully automatic.