It doesn't flash, it just slowly cures without a recoat window. Chances are a rattle can primer is lacquer type product with is only suitable for a lacquer topcoat. I've never seen a alkyd paint that worked any different than house paint. Some are better than others though. The Agco paint is better but I was trying to be cheap one time and painted a Kubota tractor with Valspar tractor paint with hardener in it and it only lasted a year. Then he asked how i measured out how much to thin the paint. What happens if you don't clean your bathroom? Do not allow the metal that is being painted to become hot. Majic Tractor, Truck, & Implement Enamel is your best friend when restoring your old tractor. -sj91~D#Ax0ox{Qow|abV Each different brand and product line has a different formula. Agco is probably an acylic modified alkyd enamel which is adequate for tractors, as glennster says but will come with minimal instructions. If you buy any of the name brand auto paint the instructions will be on the cans. The higher the temperature and humidity, the slower the dry will be. The Agco paint is a little easier to figure out. Any paint left over that has had the hardener put into it should be disposed of. I've used enamels that would flash and had a recoat window but they were a synthetic enamel, not alkyd. Its the instructions that should be on the can but there isn't room because of hazzard warnings in three languages and California's oppion of the product. As far as the hardener, the amount to use is probably on the can. l@_ C?3A}o_r;,"@.u9)zS6>R_NBrXF7D$;V=Sa&izwJE(i6iXMPaxBS=BNxJ&UDQiD jq-'}&H%03=|0xI^I>kP@%)|;'0?Sc83 ~0n/[!^ tx`=[Eb _]AK67$}^( Oq[QLg!MjJ& \s D;3 PhM02FO:qtqO:'wt}& }-uDL\D29ZiaH~omR*xP`ZwTI[cVpSk~9FZ8"( T(!vUC!""@|"$!;Q! Only you can decide if its worth a couple hundred dollars to not have to paint it again for many more years. hardeners pose a problem with the toxic chemical exposure. Use HVLP guns and set them to the manufacturers specs, and you won't have to mess with them either. I man in Ohio painted this tractor and this is what he uses when painting tractors. I aint trying to be cheap. endstream endobj 14 0 obj <>/Filter/CCITTFaxDecode/Height 1500/ImageMask true/Length 1604/Subtype/Image/Type/XObject/Width 96>>stream First try it with no thinner. I'd start gasping for breath, wheezing, and coughing, until i could drive around and keep my head in the air coming in the window, usually with some one else driving! I did a little searching for Agco paint and it appears Agco is the MFG. In the 10 years I have been doing this, I have never had to modify anything. "publisher": { My 2 bit's worth, if your tractor is worth the time and effort to do a quality job why Cheap out and have a tractor that in a year or two looks like it was painted 20 years ago and sat out in the weather ever since ? I don't agree. ", Not all alkyds are the same. find the 8-4-1 on the cup, fill paint up to 8, then thinner to 4, then hardener to 1. the mixing cups are plastic and disposable. I was really thinking about buying Agco paint but might consider another type. These finishes are more complex to use and need some homework before using but in the end will last a lot longer. stop by a body shop supply and get some paint mixing cups. Tractors are tough, hardworking and dependable. I am going to be painting a D17 IV. I welcome all answers!!! Let the paint come to room temperature before using it. H []JxLHlAQ&|==VT5PzhDa5A3pCP`"0r\3> w X60cq"E7wD eggshell 5lt 8 parts paint, 4 parts reducer, 1 part hardener. With this experience I will never paint another tractor with an alkyd. Ryan My 2 bit's worth, if your tractor is worth the time and effort to do a quality job why Cheap out and have a tractor that in a year or two looks like it was painted 20 years ago and sat out in the weather ever since ? stop by a body shop supply and get some paint mixing cups. And i spray it on the job." per quart. If it leaves a print, its not dry enough to recoat. Up to 1-pint per gallon. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", I am going to be painting a D17 IV. "@type": "Organization", Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Glennster is correct that an alkyd is a lot simpler to use. they are usually 1 quart cups with ratios marked on the side. wQpoJ` N endstream endobj startxref 0 %%EOF 60 0 obj <>stream When i was working at auto refinishing, one day the factory paint rep came in. Valspar makes many lines of paint, everything from quality paint that competes with PPG and DuPont, down to the 1930's alkyd enamel. If what you say is true, it would take me three days to paint a piece of sheet metal. I'd start gasping for breath, wheezing, and coughing, until i could drive around and keep my head in the air coming in the window, usually with some one else driving! tractor gmw antique 1956 stora mellby museum sweden owned its What do I do when my 1 year old throws a tantrum? Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Had to use a "baking liquid" but i can't remember how it was formulated--boss kept that recipe to himself. Add 1/2 pint of Majic Catalyst Hardener to each gallon of paint (16:1). Apply up to 2 coats of the Majic Tractor, Truck & Implement Enamel. Moisture could reduce the gloss. Some are better than others though. Red. I guess he forgot the word experience . It was developed in the 30's I think, and was the original high gloss paint, so it IS automotive paint, just not current. I guess he forgot the word experience . shutters stash "dateModified": "2012-01-07", I man in Ohio painted this tractor and this is what he uses when painting tractors. Any paint that is any good will dictate what mix you should use. Some are better than others though. they are usually 1 quart cups with ratios marked on the side. I suppose they had a heated drying booth, otherwise they would never get anything done. Alkyd and synthetic are the names for the same product. TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. Should I buy another brand?? Lightly sand between coats using 350 grit sandpaper or scotch pad. First try it with no thinner. More than likely it will be somewhere around 2 oz. Any paint that is any good will dictate what mix you should use. Yes, CNKS, that enamel paint from many years ago was all we had, besides laquer, and it was good for about 3 years, if ya didn't buff it out occasionally, although i never had to buff my jobs, because i put the shine in the job. wear appropriate saftey gear, a disposable paint suit, nitrile gloves, and painters hood. I aint trying to be cheap. Most tractor dealers sell paint made by Valspar. If you are using an automotive paint, I would suggest you get a product sheet on the paint you are using from where you bought the paint. How successful are medical negligence claims? Any paint left over that has had the hardener put into it should be disposed of. The last tractor paint I used was the Valspar Tractor Paint from Tractor Supply. Had to use a baking liquid but i can't remember how it was formulated--boss kept that recipe to himself. The Agco paint is a little easier to figure out. Reducer can be used with the Catalyst to spray the Tractor, Truck, & Implement Enamel. It would need longer if cold. Until it was too late! I would also keep the lids on the cans until you do a lot of homework on the paint. }. Stir thoroughly, Use an airless sprayer with a minimum pressure of 2000 PSI with a 60 mesh filter, and tip size .013-.017. "interactionStatistic": { It was more similar to rattle can enamel. The best thing to do is find an inconspicuous place and press your thumb into it. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. If it leaves a print, its not dry enough to recoat. As far as the hardener, the amount to use is probably on the can. Had to use a baking liquid but i can't remember how it was formulated--boss kept that recipe to himself. It's difficult to generalize with today's paints. As a result, only add hardener to the amount of paint that you anticipate using with the 8 hours. the implement paints from the ag dealers are modified alkyd enamels. tDNx zMiml0;VC I think it's worth the money to purchase a automotive urethane, either Dupont Nason 2k or PPG Concept. It was developed in the 30's I think, and was the original high gloss paint, so it IS automotive paint, just not current. I could only conclude the Arco was a better product line of the crummy paint I used. there should be a spec sheet and msds sheets that come with the paint from your supplier. +h>BTKH&&yP a_*tCH%mTT_h7,M)+J@.{mUk. I use acrylic urethane. After two years it's was more white than orange in places. Not trying to start anything here, just have seen it may times and hoping to save someone all the anxiety after all the time and money spent. Who even makes Agcos paint?? "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Alkyd was used by body shops not too many years ago, perhaps even into the 80's. Any paint that is any good will dictate what mix you should use. These finishes are more complex to use and need some homework before using but in the end will last a lot longer. It dries so slow that you don't have to worry about orange peal and will adhere to most primers. "height": 57 it is easy to apply, even for a beginner, and pretty forgiving. It dries so slow that you don't have to worry about orange peal and will adhere to most primers. find the 8-4-1 on the cup, fill paint up to 8, then thinner to 4, then hardener to 1. the mixing cups are plastic and disposable. Any unused Catalyst Hardener will last up to a year. Also, if you were ever allergic to chicken meat, or eggs, stay away from those paint hardeners! they are usually 1 quart cups with ratios marked on the side. Agco is probably an acylic modified alkyd enamel which is adequate for tractors, as glennster says but will come with minimal instructions. Not trying to start anything here, just have seen it may times and hoping to save someone all the anxiety after all the time and money spent. v@G I don't agree. The Case tractor I just finished painting, I used Nason 2k. Should I buy another brand?? When i was working at auto refinishing, one day the factory paint rep came in. You don't rush an alkyd. That's why it is always important to obtain (and follow) the manufacturer's detailed written instructions to avoid problems. Using Majic Catalyst Hardener will improve the mar resistance, reduce the dry time, and slighly increase the gloss. "userInteractionCount": 22 For example, PPG's industrial alkyd ALK-110 w/o hardener has a 10-15 min flash time between coats and should not be recoated after 3 hrs and before 3 days to prevent lifting. tractor 8n If what you say is true, it would take me three days to paint a piece of sheet metal. I've used enamels that would flash and had a recoat window but they were a synthetic enamel, not alkyd. xV@) TI+WhB):B>c!kF#jWbN)9,}}nL9=gdK*=gHC):iKaeyI$0={ub*k9sdI9es *=>1Dw:&Ng5&LcCKIQ/;!]79;7AB^%(7G]@r 8-abP3iV3pF"Gd0-aLJ0Y*/La'gcd!p?u`~J`;:nQXK$:sJ4(/dS[d,3X[,Z iw. }, I suppose they had a heated drying booth, otherwise they would never get anything done. Then the floor plate where I knew there would be a lot of foot traffic, I put six coats of paint on it letting it dry a week between coats. I would only spray it at the end of the day and stay gone until morning. "datePublished": "2012-01-07", Each different brand and product line has a different formula. Buy quality paint (not farm store stuff), and you can get a spec sheet from the dealer or off the manufactuer's web site. Taupe. If you want it to look better than when new here's a WD45 painted with Martin Senours Crossfire paint. Chances are a rattle can primer is lacquer type product with is only suitable for a lacquer topcoat. If the paint is not dry-through, do not expose the paint to rain or dew. If you delay,then you should probably wait 24 hours or so. Glennster is correct that an alkyd is a lot simpler to use. "headline":"Paint mixing 101", it does off u/v resistance so sun fading over time is reduced. I painted a utility trailer with Sherwin Williams All Surface Enamel three years ago and except for damages it still looks brand new. "@type": "WebPage", the implement paints from the ag dealers are modified alkyd enamels. Majic Tractor, Truck, & Implement Enamel has a lower VOC limit than most enamels. it does off u/v resistance so sun fading over time is reduced. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || []; function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);} gtag('js', new Date()); gtag('config', 'G-04SJ2KTSCK',{ cookie_flags: 'max-age=7200;secure;samesite=none' }); Welcome! I don't like alkyds either. ~@1`. f!%|@]vO`\ o"/,LiZoM'4G_AR\-=@A@u Any dust or bug in the county was sure to find it. corner trowel outside 25d marshalltown 50d durasoft handle I'm pretty much over it now, but for many years, i couldn't be near a shop that used enamel hardener. per quart. Is positive Behaviour support the same as ABA? Allow it to sit approximately 20 minutes before using. You can do a fine job painting and then have the paint peal off the primer because the paint wasn't compatable with the primer. Store in a cool, dry place. "mainEntityOfPage": { I also agree with Glennster that any alkyd paint is inferior to an automotive paint. @0o xQmB not of the same quality as an automotive line, but perfectly fine for painting a tractor, and well within most folks budget. I would only spray it at the end of the day and stay gone until morning. I did use hardener in it and the color was a light grey so fading wouldn't be noticed anyway. I've never seen a alkyd paint that worked any different than house paint. You can do a fine job painting and then have the paint peal off the primer because the paint wasn't compatable with the primer. What brand/line are you using? Not all alkyds are the same. It would need longer if cold. The Agco paint is a little easier to figure out. You'll have to check with the specifications on the paint but probably its best to use naphtha to thin it with for spraying it. That guy gave me a fishey eyed look, folded his tent and left, shaking his head. And i spray it on the job. Make sure the lid is tightly sealed. Use HVLP guns and set them to the manufacturers specs, and you won't have to mess with them either. Its the instructions that should be on the can but there isn't room because of hazzard warnings in three languages and California's oppion of the product. it is easy to apply, even for a beginner, and pretty forgiving. If you want it to look better than when new here's a WD45 painted with Martin Senours Crossfire paint. For example, PPG's industrial alkyd ALK-110 w/o hardener has a 10-15 min flash time between coats and should not be recoated after 3 hrs and before 3 days to prevent lifting. Each different brand and product line has a different formula. Similarly, PPG's industrial acrylic modified alkyd ALK 200 w/o hardener has a 5-10 minute flash time between coats and should not be recoated after 3 hours and before 4 days to prevent lifting. So, all of you neophyte painters, heed our warnings. I'm pretty much over it now, but for many years, i couldn't be near a shop that used enamel hardener. Also, if you were ever allergic to chicken meat, or eggs, stay away from those paint hardeners! Let each coat dry a minimum of 24 hours between applications under ideal weather conditions of 77 F and 50% relative humidity. Mix thoroughly. But, I consider alkyd to be alkyd, none will last very long unless kept inside. It doesn't flash, it just slowly cures without a recoat window. It was more similar to rattle can enamel. It's difficult to generalize with today's paints. Enter your email address and subscribe to our series of e-newsletters and information. Any dust or bug in the county was sure to find it. ^/ example, some urethanes, like crossfire (martin senyor) are 8-4-1. "@type": "ImageObject", After eight hours of use there was bare metal showing. %PDF-1.6 % "image": { Hal. Ryan I am going to be painting a D17 IV. It's difficult to generalize with today's paints. It would stay completely wet for at least four hours. Can you use tractor paint to paint a car? Most tractor dealers sell paint made by Valspar. It's not an automotive finish. per quart. 8 parts paint, 4 parts reducer, 1 part hardener. More than likely it will be somewhere around 2 oz. the implement paints from the ag dealers are modified alkyd enamels. Probably why I don't use it, among numerous other reasons. AR&9STSz\+4{~v endstream endobj 16 0 obj <>/Filter/CCITTFaxDecode/Height 2140/ImageMask true/Length 17620/Subtype/Image/Type/XObject/Width 520>>stream Also, if you were ever allergic to chicken meat, or eggs, stay away from those paint hardeners! Who even makes Agcos paint?? I did a little searching for Agco paint and it appears Agco is the MFG. Be sure you have a supplied air system to protect your lungs. Alkyd and synthetic are the names for the same product. I think it's worth the money to purchase a automotive urethane, either Dupont Nason 2k or PPG Concept. It was more similar to rattle can enamel. While searching for the spec sheet I came across a couple of places that said the Arco paint was manufactured by Valspar. The Case tractor I just finished painting, I used Nason 2k. identify tractor return antique help If you delay,then you should probably wait 24 hours or so. That's why it is always important to obtain (and follow) the manufacturer's detailed written instructions to avoid problems. % CANON_PFINF_TYPE2_TEXTOFF I could only conclude the Arco was a better product line of the crummy paint I used. How do you begin to know how much reducer to use to thin the paint?? So, all of you neophyte painters, heed our warnings. He saw a complete job i had just finished, and complemented me on it. ford tractor remove repair cab flying transmission Thanks for all the great tips!! Tractor, Truck and Implement Paint, Gloss White, 1 Gallon, The average rating for this product is 4 out of 5 stars, Shop All Fencing, Livestock, & Pet Supplies, Shop All Sprayers, Pumps, Parts, & Accessories, Shop All Lawn Mower Blades, Parts, & Accessories, Add One Pint Reducer To One Gallon Of Paint, Use An Airless Sprayer With A Minimum Pressure Of 2000 PSI With A 60 Mesh Filter And Tip Size Of .013 - .017, Conventional Sprayer May Require 2 Pints For 40-50 PSI, Drying Time 5-10 Hours @ 77 Degrees F. And 50% Humidity. After spraying your first coat of paint, how long should you wait till you apply a additional coat of paint?? affiliate "interactionType": "https://schema.org/CommentAction", there should be a spec sheet and msds sheets that come with the paint from your supplier. not of the same quality as an automotive line, but perfectly fine for painting a tractor, and well within most folks budget. What brand/line are you using? not of the same quality as an automotive line, but perfectly fine for painting a tractor, and well within most folks budget. I looked for spec's on the Arco paint online but couldn't find anything. If Majic Reducer is not available, you can add up to 10% Naphtha, but it may put the product over the VOC limit allowed and increase the dry time. Why did Balram did not fight in Mahabharata? find the 8-4-1 on the cup, fill paint up to 8, then thinner to 4, then hardener to 1. the mixing cups are plastic and disposable. Only you can decide if its worth a couple hundred dollars to not have to paint it again for many more years. Probably why I don't use it, among numerous other reasons. When brushing or rolling make sure each coat is no more than 3.0 mils wet. What happens to Director Vance in season 16? Valspar makes many lines of paint, everything from quality paint that competes with PPG and DuPont, down to the 1930's alkyd enamel. Glennster is correct that an alkyd is a lot simpler to use. If you need to extend the life of the paint with the hardener you can put it in a refrigerator for up to 8 hours. Without knowing exactly what product you are trying to use, it wouldn't be possible to tell. Just don't use it over a rattle can primer. Its the instructions that should be on the can but there isn't room because of hazzard warnings in three languages and California's oppion of the product. Any dust or bug in the county was sure to find it. "height": 57 Its also important to let your tractor shine like it did when you first brought it home. Aan air supply mask helps, but there is that one time you don't use it------ Yes, CNKS, that enamel paint from many years ago was all we had, besides laquer, and it was good for about 3 years, if ya didn't buff it out occasionally, although i never had to buff my jobs, because i put the shine in the job. It's more like enamel house paint. "@type": "Person", identify tractor tractorshed antique help return Who even makes Agcos paint?? Gloss Black, Tractor Truck And Implement Enamel Paint, 1 Gal. I looked for spec's on the Arco paint online but couldn't find anything. I found out much later the dangers of using hardener in the paint, and the fact that the regular two filter mask didn't protect our breathing very well. "@type":"DiscussionForumPosting", Nobody is going to be able to answer your question. I aint trying to be cheap. Compared to todays paints, alkyd (snythetic) are poor paints and the differences in quality between brands are not surprising. even lacquer thinner is nasty stuff. That guy gave me a fishey eyed look, folded his tent and left, shaking his head. If those instructions are not on the can label and the manufacturer does not publish a detailed technical data sheet, then perhaps a different manufacturer should be found. Use Majic Tractor, Truck, & Implement Enamel. If those instructions are not on the can label and the manufacturer does not publish a detailed technical data sheet, then perhaps a different manufacturer should be found. sheen theturquoisehome So, all of you neophyte painters, heed our warnings. The answer is very simple. hardeners pose a problem with the toxic chemical exposure. Chances are a rattle can primer is lacquer type product with is only suitable for a lacquer topcoat. endstream endobj 13 0 obj <>stream I would also keep the lids on the cans until you do a lot of homework on the paint. If you are using an automotive paint, I would suggest you get a product sheet on the paint you are using from where you bought the paint. Field Cultivator Points & Reversible Points. it is easy to apply, even for a beginner, and pretty forgiving. @@hG%4 NWD9tV@VYCf >56D h_D>l0 It's not an automotive finish. After eight hours of use there was bare metal showing. Specially formulated with low volatility VOC, (Volatile organic compounds), the reducer improves spray consistency when added to Majic tractor, truck, & implement enamel or Majic rust kill enamel. I think it's worth the money to purchase a automotive urethane, either Dupont Nason 2k or PPG Concept. To answer your initial question, with an alkyd enamel you use as little thinner as you can to where it will go through your sprayer. I also agree with Glennster that any alkyd paint is inferior to an automotive paint. Without knowing exactly what product you are trying to use, it wouldn't be possible to tell. paint majic tractor With this experience I will never paint another tractor with an alkyd. wear appropriate saftey gear, a disposable paint suit, nitrile gloves, and painters hood. The cup gun tip size should be the same as the primer: 0.013-0.017 with a gun pressure of 30-50 psi. This Majic reducer improves paint spray consistency. Not all alkyds are the same. Be sure you have a supplied air system to protect your lungs. He saw a complete job i had just finished, and complemented me on it. {j0dA8H9b.mbRwiGjO9FVofap20I,rl5LX,XHL2, The synthetic I was refering to, their name for it was quick dry enamel. With this experience I will never paint another tractor with an alkyd. 8 parts paint, 4 parts reducer, 1 part hardener. ( X,,s~wVaavpay8~8(@,, majic there should be a spec sheet and msds sheets that come with the paint from your supplier. Keep up on our always evolving product features, events, content and so much more. "text": "I need opinions on the whole paint mixing theory!! Add one pint of Majic reducer to one gallon of Majic tractor truck & implement enamel or Majic rust kill enamel. Each coat should be completely dry before applying another coat. The synthetic I was refering to, their name for it was quick dry enamel. That's a recoat if you decide later on that you need another coat. wear appropriate saftey gear, a disposable paint suit, nitrile gloves, and painters hood. That's why it is always important to obtain (and follow) the manufacturer's detailed written instructions to avoid problems. Many paints are not compatable with each other and the primer. Do not tack spray. 8n 2n 9n Nobody is going to be able to answer your question. "@type": "InteractionCounter", First try it with no thinner. I found out much later the dangers of using hardener in the paint, and the fact that the regular two filter mask didn't protect our breathing very well. Using too much paint will slow the dry time. I guess he forgot the word "experience". If it leaves a print, its not dry enough to recoat. To answer your initial question, with an alkyd enamel you use as little thinner as you can to where it will go through your sprayer. The answer is very simple. I painted a utility trailer with Sherwin Williams All Surface Enamel three years ago and except for damages it still looks brand new.