Thanks These are just a few examples of the situations that can come up when dealing with a paint project. From what Ive been reading Im not sure if she was completely honest. Do a test sample with some scrap to know for sure. You just scrape and scrape and scrape and when you cannot scrape anymore, you scrape some more. The store that I bought my paint from sold me the paint with the primer added, said it would cover in one coat. We try our best to keep things fair and balanced, in order to help you make the best choice for you. If you dont, it just wont bond. Doors take a beating, so although you could just paint it with your new paint, its best to use a very good bonding primer. Thank you. No, paints do not contain primer in them. these doors were expensive and now I feel so bad I ruined them. I want to paint it black and want the grain of the wood to show. So both are right in my viewgo with whatever works and is the least expensive. Well, isnt that what you need to do anyway?? Odor Killing Interior Primer and then painted behr stain blocking paint and primer in one- white eggshell. Paint and primer in one do work with much thicker coats. That comment about stain really helps: just use drywall primer. 2020 Spectrum Paint. A couple walls are bright red, one or two are a basic white/cream color, and the rest are a medium tan/brown. Thanks! Not drinking kind. But if they are new drywall, absolutiely yes, all that needs drywall primer. See any red? How much do they save you time, and how much is just clever marketing? Its all made up to drive people to the store for profit. Im wondering how big your back porch is. I want to take care of this situation but I am wondering also, besides the how and with what is there a way to prevent this type of situation from recurring or at least retarding it a bit? Hi Brad, I was wondering if you could opine on how many layers of primer you need or how a primed wall should look. We once walked into an apartment where the now dead tennant smoked and made the walls brown. Otherwise you can scrape your nice pretty paint off later with your fingernail. Id use Fresh Start By Ben moore and Aura by BM as well. Well there is a water based alkyd, Advance by Ben Moore. Given the choice between buying a can of primer PLUS a can of paint, or just paint and primer in one, who wouldnt choose the multi-use product? PS, dont use el-cheapo-rollers as the lint sheds. This is the short, common list. Here is the list of tools I use. Discuss your project with your local paint expert in order to create a professional, long-lasting result. Transparency in Coverage. See a difference? If the surface you are about to paint is previously painted (previously prepared), and you are going to re-paint with a similar color and sheen of paint, then you may use a paint and primer in one product. All in all, its preferable to use primer and paint separately. Again, its a gamble! (Often theyre hoping that if my painters use a paint and primer in one, itll save on labor costs and I can give them a cheaper estimate for our services.) See my Everything Deck page and posts on deck I have tools there: grinders, scrapers, etc. Paint and primer have two different, distinct functions and many times work best as two separate products. Many people have heard the general advice that you should prime before painting, but they cant tell you why. And finally, the one type of surface that. New wood: if pine, you will need an oil primer (Prime Lock linked at the very top of this page). My friend asked me why his wood ceiling would not cover wood after 4 coats of paint. Go with Kilz High-Hide, so you get good bonding and good blocking. Paint and primer in one has a higher build, meaning that in its cured (dry) state it rises, or builds up, to a thicker layer than regular paint or primer. We will give your insightful directions a go and hope for an end to our paint bubbling and peeling issues. I used a paint+primer on one room and it seems to be doing well, but will need another coat. i searched a lot to find help. YOu can keep coating until you get it as dark as you want. There are several types of primers. That is not the issue tho You need to worry about bonding. Managed to get some paint on the white textured ceiling. Ready? We thank you for your help, Brad! I would use a high quality latex primer if I was painting. Wash, rinse, wash, rinse. So unless you have a particularly thick and quality paint formula, you might still see the indentations in the paint. What do you recommend for a primer? This type of product can provide you with better coverage and adhesion than traditional paint, and it can also help you save time on your painting project. Good luck! Paint and primer have two different, distinct functions and many times work best as two separate products. The guy at the SW store told us we have to use primer separately prior to painting over the red walls. No knots. Moreover, the thicker the self priming paint, the higher the chances of bleeding will be. This costs you nothing extra. Can you do this test and let us know? Thank you, Brad! Should I use a primer first then the paint color or paint over twice or use the paint/ primer in one. Primers seal the substrate, help provide uniform coverage, provide adhesion (between the substrate or wall and the paint) and block stains. Every job is different. If you dont like that, just stain it with black stain. Yes, doing them all would be smart as some may be differnetyou need a clean slate, all the same.Yes one primer and 2 top coats is normal. One Coat Coverage - Glidden One Coat Interior Paint & Primer has exceptional hide and stain block which means you need fewer coats to hide your common stains and make your walls beautiful. Paint provides color, hiding, sheen, scrub resistance and protection against the elements. The internet authority, Wikipedia is on the ball about primer. Hi. Why breathe that stuff if you dont have to? STIX is the thing Id use. Read this: seems right to me. ha ha Hi Brad! The man at the store said the ceiling paint with primer would work but the someone else said that I needed to use kilz. Look at night and dusk also. If youre repainting your purple bathroom to an off-white, then sure, go ahead and use this product. Im closing on a new condo soon that has light gray, flat paint over sheet rock walls. It is the perfect self priming paint to use if you wish to paint your cabinets or change the color of the new drywall. Considering tackling painting the inside of a 1979 mobile home. Drywall is a porous surface. Genuine Quality, made in the U.K. just outside of London. Paint and primer combination products do work in certain situations, but every paint job is different. You can find a mold test kit and Ill add that soon to my post on painting over mold. You need this primer in between the oil and the paint you will leave on top. B. If you are painting walls and want to try a paint with a primer in it, be sure that your walls are: Buy a quality paint and primer in one: use Kilz, a very good name in primer, and for sure one of the best paint and primer. Question: do I need a primer, or will the primer+paint combos work okay? Paint and primer in one!? The guy at the store is right, but depending on the actual shades of red and gray, you may be ok with your painters way too. Sanpaper for big flat areas and the liquid for tight spots is my way less toxic and actually eaiser BM Ceiling Paint While this product has proven to work, its recommended to use paint and primer in one mostly on interior walls. Then, use the primer I mentioned. In most cases, its a sure thing to go with the old method of a first coat of primer because if you get the wrong type of primer (there are many) in your paint and primer in one, you will be starting all over when you think you are done. kilz healthyhandyman Low-VOC, Less Stress - As a Low-odor, low-VOC paint Glidden One Coat Paint & Primer In One allows you to paint with less stress and disruption to your daily routine, The paint and primer in one has excellent adhesion, Perfect for painting surfaces such as wood or drywall, The color varieties allow for a paint job on both light and dark surfaces, Professional quality paint and primer that covers areas stained by smoke, The color can be off for certain primer paint options. The issue is, do these products work? The formula for this paint and primer combo is quite thick. So then how to paint larch wood gave me: This is good on the wood in general and makes me think you should strip all you can, sand it down to the wood, then find a penetrating stain, and never say the word paint in your house again. The primed walls are a bit blotchy (some areas appear to have more coverage), though the whole wall is completely covered/no paint is actually visible though, a stated, some areas do look darker than other. Once again thank you for responding so quickly. The paint is peeling off. But if it worked on one wall, it will work on all. No, because white latex paint does not encourage the same adhesion and stain-blocking properties as a primer. When your walls are without stains and when you have no new wood. Please read about this once in a lifetime stainI put it on my deck in the natural silvery patina color (no tinting) So what does prepping the surface mean? Good luck, If they are painted, you only need a primer if you are radically changing colors like white to dark gray etc. I was stuck in the problem of Painting my drawing room and dining room wall in one day means paint and primer altogether. However, before completing the remaining rooms, I wanted to make sure I used the correct process since I need to get more supplies. If I am repainting real wood walls that currently have a pale yellow paint on them, should I prime first? Does it smell like plastic or wood? About a month later we washed them again to get all the baking soda off, but it only made the situation worse. Do you have a BM store nearby? Still, whether it is considered good or not will depend on: When you use a primer, you are basically flattening a surface. Now I want a solid lighter color. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Metal? THey win this round. You are going to a white, so for sure you need real hiding power, not necessarily stain blocking or sealing. Well, if you prime the wood with a water=based primer, the soft grain will expand and raise up more than the hard grain, but that will be 3-d if you want that: do a sample of course. I am repainting my (finished) basement and wasnt sure if to use a primer and if so, which one. Do I need to sand the whole room? We are wanting to paint our front porch wooden columns white. When I prepped, I scraped, sanded and cleaned the shingle surfaces. Are we going to have to prime them before we paint them or can we use a primer / paint together? Suitable for interior and exterior painting projects. What is the best way to paint Bead Plyboard? After the first week we even tried sealing it with AFM safe coat hard seal. b. I have a garage where the previous homeowner smoked heavily in it. To be fair, you need to be in the world of paint for some time before it is clear what to use. Really it just means this paint covers over obnoxious colors easier than most. Then paint as you like. But sometimes paint and primer in one step can be a big help. Drywall: yes, always, but only with drywall primer which is not nearly as intense as stain killers. Hi Brad, Hi. First is thinning the paint you will be using as a top coat. However, what you need to keep in mind is that primer paint is usually more expensive. So, have some rubbing alcohol on hand to clean your hands. Therefore, you need a paint and primer in one; Some people might want to skip primer and use paint and primer in one instead or use a cheap paint. Or if you have acetone, like nail polish remover with acetone (read the label). This product offers a subtle, flat finish and resists dirt with a scrubbable film for easy cleaning. Same exact color or very very close? Hi Brad. This is the case with kitchen renovations when refreshing the paint color of the cabinets. In many cases, they just updated their existing paint product labels, adding paint and primer in one, self-priming paint, or similar language. When speaking of consistencies, note that primer itself (not paint and primer in one) is a relatively thin-bodied material. I doubt any paint will stick to it, but One solution is to try STIX, which is made for bonding in cases where you are not sure. I did try scraping the paint to see how easy it would come off, and it was difficult until we got to the original layer that had been washed.