My biggest criticism of Vallejo, so far, is their packaging. Display as a link instead, If you have any questions, let me know. From the article I read, my understanding is that Ammo and Vallejo paints are made by a producer for them and their brand. Brushes and painting tools have to be cleaned with I found that Vallejo Model Air works best just as it comes out of the bottle for airbrushing. Vallejo also produce a range called Premium RC Colors which is designed for airbrushing RC Body Shells and is also suitable for Automotive Airbrushing. Our community is FREE to join. I use an empty vallejo 17 ml bottle for this. I am curious if other modelers are noticing the same thing or not. Vallejo is best thinned with distilled water. If you have any questions, let me know. All of its paint products (art and modelling) are developed and made in-house. How to measure how much retarder you have to add? I learned the hard way . 90% isopropylalcohol from wal-martI use it with tamiya pants not problem but Vallejo just became stringy. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. For example, Tamiya and Gunze are best reduced with an alcohol solvent, but will tolerate small amounts of distilled water, which evaporates more slowly. Their Model Air is airbrush ready right out of the bottle, but color range is limited. And if we want to speculate further, we can imagine that some of the recent non-paint products may be bought in, which would just make sound business sense. Exactly what Vallejo says, works. Is there a change in the cured paint rigidity? Hope this helps! Glad you liked it overall. It will get nasty quick and that is from experince. I love Vallejo Metal color! The newer modeling acrylics such as Vallejo, are based more water formulations. Can they be ANY clearer about this? Then WRITE IT DOWN!! The basic line is intended for brush painting & is widely used by figure painters, It can be thinned & sprayed with an AB, but their Air Color line will give better results. -Vallejo flow improver assurance of an even and smooth paint film, allowing for many coats I now completely understand your answer. Acryls in general, but especially Vallejo, will have little paint boogers that will either clog up your airbrush or ruin your finish. But I am still not sure exactly how much thinning solution to use with the one or two drops of Future. We keep a huge supply of airbrush paints in stock and ready for quick dispatch to you. ).". Using your alchemy, they spray wonderfully through my H&S with a 0.15 needle. Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. For this example, I added in 6 drops mixture to 5 drops paint. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I read once that Ammo and Vallejo paints are made in the same factory. 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Since I don't have the retarder medium (70.597), I replaced it with theretarder from the premium line and mixed with model air paint with 50/50 ratio at 20 psi as suggested. of colour. It is by all accounts (I work in the arts sector) a state-of-the-art facility. I had several modellers reach out to me regarding what that mixture is and how I get good results with Vallejo paints. FalconFan24, As soon as this happens, add the necessary amount of water and/or paint", Source: PAINTING FIGURES WITH MODEL COLOR Acrylicos Vallejo. No, I don't use Vallejo's thinner at all. Vallejo has some good things going for it: very little to no smell, easily available, comes in sets you don't have to buy individual bottles ( i think they were the first major company to do this), and a fantastic range of colors. Then shake the hell out of the bottle. to be wise. I use Model Color a lot and distalled water works great. Vallejo has some good things going for it: very little to no smell, easily available, comes in sets you don't have to buy individual bottles ( i think they were the first major company to do this), and a fantastic range of colors. We carry airbrush paints suitable for a wide range of creative applications. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. I do agree they are a bit 'soft' or more specifically, aren't very durable to the touch. Worth checking out. Your link has been automatically embedded. The other day, I posted on Plane Trading my entire Vallejo paint lot for sale as I am moving across the county. A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing. I read once that Ammo and Vallejo paints are made in the same factory. Colorima is used mainly in hobby and handicraft I think you might need to try with the actual vallejo retarder. Rick and Greasy, what alcohol did you try with Vallejo? Thanks, Mike. Hope this helps! It dried fast and masking actually didn't lift any paint, even after only 10 minutes. I use Model Color for brush painting. 4 oz is my guess. Anyway, that could lead me to yet another, though unrelated rant. Also flooding and in general, area spraying was so smooth. As to the durability of the paint job, my experience was that it turned out much tougher than when I used them just with thinner. I always thin my vallejo Model Color with 99% alcool when i dont need blending because it dry really fast. metal duraluminium 32ml larger I guess I should increase the ratio of retarder to fully get rid of the tip dry ? Vallejo's Hull Red is maroon-like in color and I am looking for a color that is more reddish-orange in tone. Yellow and Red, airbrushing and painting - 6 VIDEO DEMOS! Now some friend have told me that they will produce a soft surface which MUST be covered with Future or have a hardener added to the paint and thinner. Is there anything that can be added to make the surface harder. I will for sure try this out. I just mix it with little Future and some drops of plain water. But I am not sure. I tried this recipe and had some interesting results. Vallejo's site mentions on the Model Color page that some of their paints (Colorima line) are alcohol-based and not water-soluble. " metal gold larger Paste as plain text instead, Khumar, PS: couldn't add the images so I am linking back to my original article that includes pics:https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/my-how-to-airbrush-vallejo-model-air-color-instruc-t516417.html. I mentioned that I had a fantastic thinner mixture to prevent tip dry. After that mixture is made, about what ratio of this mixture to paint do you use? Thank you for sharing your recipe; I've used "the mix," and now I don't have any issues with dry tips, didn't try fine lines yet but looks promising. compounds. The other day, I posted on Plane Trading my entire Vallejo paint lot for sale as I am moving across the county. or Gloss Varnish. THIS IS KEY! vallejo To add to what's been said already, I highly recommend using a flat primer coat (of any type of paint) under Vallejo to help give it some "bite". The Vallejo website says you can use distilled watertheir instructions specify it. wood, leather, cork and figures cast in resin, gypsum and marble dust I had not heard of the Colorima line before reading that. I seem to find that lighter colours in particular can be very thick, darker colours less so. One more VERY important point. I had so much paint leftover even after the sheet and the test piece. Poole Felt like using Mr. (Please see I can't tell you how many times I have had to "rediscover" a thinner formula for a particular paint. I tried the mixture using Vallejo thinner, liquitex flow improver, and flow aid. Smooth & silky. Acrylics are NOT enamels, and CANNOT be treated or used the way enamels are. I sprayed and sprayed the finest lines for a long time. I use an empty vallejo 17 ml bottle for this. since these give a harder brilliance than the waterbased metallics. I think your issue might be that Vallejo products are formulated to work with each other. All colours can be mixed with one another, with Medium This gives the paint some 'toughness'. Another excellent choice for Airbrushing Models is Tamiya Mini Acrylics which suitable for airbrush and brush techniques and available in Gloss and Matt/Flat colours. Thin Vallejo with WATER! I love Vallejjo, but I have always had issues with the quality when airbrushing. I've airbrushed Vallejo a number of times after thinning it with distilled water as recommended by the mnanufacturer. View our, Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. dyes which are not water soluble. Bear in mind I haven't used these, but from my knowledge of coatings technology, if someone is getting a soft surface just from thinning the paint, they are using the wrong reducing solvent, or doing something wrong when airbrushing, or did not prepare the surface properly. Wait you're using alcohol? If so, how much? (See Safety-Alcohol Too spendy for what you get, and there are better products to thin with both for brush painting and airbrushing. It helps lube the airbrush needle. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools No need to experiment with more costly products and other brands' proprietary thinners. There is no such thing as a "paint hardener." Yeah, but it doesn't say POLAND SPRINGS on itnor does it go to 11! Can't wait! It was just so frustrating. Hi again, Just to let you know,I didn't get to read your complete answer at first as it got "cut off" on my computer screen. I keep a small container of this pre-mixed in an empty contact solution bottle. Use Water. Do some test sprays on something you don't care about, and tinker with your thinning ratios and air pressure until you find what works best with your airbrush setup. Is there a preferred thinner? Unit C5 - C6 Im maybe just lucky. Ammo and Vallejo paints have never been made in the same factory, as Acrylicos Vallejo doesn't make products for any other brand. for it. Thanks so much for your reply. If you distill the water, don't you eliminate eveything but the essential two H's and one O of each molecule of water that is supposed to make Poland Springs water special? Does the drying time of the paint vary? The Model Air colours are manufactured with permanent fine arts So,I tried this out today..and it worked good. Add the thinner mixture into your airbrush first! I should mention that I use to HATE Vallejo model air. Our Vallejo range are ideal for Scale Model Airbrushing and including Model Air Paints, Game Air Paints, Metal Colors, Model Wash, Weathering Effectsand Surface Primers. Distilled water costs less than $2.00 a gallon, even witha Poland Springs label on it. As for my ratio, I use an empty contact len solution bottle, a small one, probably about twice the size of a vallejo paint bottle. For airbrushing I use 50/60 mixture to 50/40 paint at 18 to 20psi. This is what will happen.http://www.happinessismandatory.com/misc/Models/PolarLights_Enterprise_NCC1701_1_1000/Build_Images/ent_060909_base_Dish.jpg, Most of the paint I used on my Viper and Polar bear were airbrushed Vallejo paintshttp://www.happinessismandatory.com/misc/Models/Colonial_Viper/Build_Images/Viper_Finished_1.jpghttp://www.happinessismandatory.com/misc/Models/Wave_Polar_Bear/Build_Images/PB_090514_Finished_6.jpg. I suggest you experiment and practice on some scrap before using it on a kit. Add the thinner mixture into your airbrush first! In the end, I found your ratio of paint to thinner a little off..I ended up going 70/30 or 80/20 paint to mixture to get enough colour coverage, but the paint went down nice and level and there was no splattering or build up on the airbrush tip. Also if anyone would like to share ideas for building plastic models in general and ship models in general, I'd like their comments. I tried various mixtures using different thinners/retarders. Hi again, guys. I mainly use tap water with a drop of Liquetex flowaid and slow dry. Vallejo makes their own thinner that comes in the same type bottle as their paints (they call it "diluant"). I mix 2 parts diatilled water: 1 part golden's airbrush medium (available at any art supply store such as Michaels or Hobby Lobby). It is this mix of facts, errors, and scuttlebutt which prompt people to think that they may all be inter-related companies. There are accelerants that can be added to some paints, but they often change the performance of the paint in less than desirable ways. I believe that you mention that you add a couple of drops of Future the 2 parts distilled water and the 1 part Golden's stuff . Now I have a little notebook by my airbrush staton with all my formulas in it! alcohol, and Colorima itself is classified as flammable due to its I agree about the cost, I got the large bottle of flow improver and have been using about half and half with thinner lately, but as soon as my next bottle is empty I'll make a batch like you say! (they don't sell it at Michaels. Try the mixture with the vallejo retarder and let me know what happens. I was not getting the best results. Yep, the retarder I am using is different that the premium line. Before I purchased these, Vallejo told me that they can be thinned and airbrushed. Currently, I plan on using a coat of Future followed by Cryla soluble acrylic matte that I found on the Pearl Paint website. I noticed your profile says you are located in Canada. July 8, 2020 in Tools 'n' Tips. The mixture is 70% flow improver, 30% thinner, 10 drops of retarder. I fill it 2/3 distilled water, 1/3 golden's airbrush medium, and about 2-3 drops of future. I mentioned that I had a fantastic thinner mixture to prevent tip dry. The concept of "drop" is subjective because that thing is thick. During winter here I noticed I didn't need as much thinner to paint. There was also supposedly someone by the name of Vallejo who has or had something to do with AK but was by all accounts no relation to the founders of Acrylicos Vallejo. Beware that the finish is somewhat glossy but its more resistance to scratches that just using thinner. -Vallejo thinner We carry the right airbrush paint for you whatever the application. I also sanded after only 10-15 minutes and it actually feathered. I got rid of them immediately the first time. 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I'm spraying at 20psi. A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life.". Coverage is greatbut you must use a primer. Feel free to email me if you have any questions on airbrushing vallejo. ).". Since the nozzle is larger I was actually expecting some improvements over the results with PS770, perhaps it has something to do with the design of cavity in the nozzle and how the airflow mixed with the paint within it. Also I'm getting what I want with my Badger Anthem and not even using my Patriot. varnish vallejo However, it almost certainly does not make 100% of its own products: the One Shot primer, for example, states "made in USA" from which we can infer what it probably is. I use the :Looks about right" rule when thinning Vallejo. All suggestions will be appreciated. desired, but we recommend the use of Model Air Thinner since this Getting a neat demarcation between hub and tyre - 7 VIDEO DEMOS! Yes, particularly with the ModelColor range, the viscosity of the paint in the jar can vary considerably between different colours. It's a common enough surname. Thanks for the QUICK response. "se distilled waterThey are 100% water solubleAs mentioned before, use only very clean water'dilution rate' and it will be noted as 'parts of paint' to 'parts of water' you may notice that paint will begin to dry on your palette. Thanks again, ---Michael. I always do this with a new brand of paint, as well as test it for solvent compatibility. I sprayed on that white sheet for about 5 mins no issues at all. painting, in colouring dried or artificial flowers and the tinting of alcohol content, although it is not toxic in normal use. Pro-Color is a range produced by Harder & Steenbeck which is pre-mixed and ready to use straight from the bottle which makes it ideally suited for Airbrush Beginners. Thanks. I got rid of them immediately the first time. I should mention that I use to HATE Vallejo model air. Is there a preferred way to thin Vallejo Model Color (not Vallejo Model Air) for airbrush use. vallejo mecha complete case colours paint For example, how many milliliters or ounces of thinning mixture do you use per one or two drops of Future? PLEASE bear in mind this is for the Game Color and Model Color line ONLY! I agree with rjkplasticmod. I had several modellers reach out to me regarding what that mixture is and how I get good results with Vallejo paints. I tried the same mix on PS289 0.3mm airbrush, however the result is not as good with lots of spattering. I understand what you said, and it sounds like a great mixture, especially the part about adding the Future to add "hardness" to the paint. Again thanks for sharing the receipt, at least I can use my PS770 with acrylic paint now. If you do, you are tempting the airbrush and paint gremlins, and they're vicious little bastards. To what VOLUME of water and Golden's do you add a couple of drops of Future? There is also an implication, at least, that alcohol may be used as a cosolvent (which would speed drying). Pasted as rich text. I just did 10 drops as small as possible because it's so goopy - works fine. Clear editor. I recall Mig Jimenez mentioning in a video (at some point in the last year or two) that Ammo's factory had been expanded considerably. vallejo So I made a bottle of "mix" but unfortunately I had to head back to work early and thus never had a chance to play! BH16 6LT, Harder & Steenbeck Needles, Nozzles and Air Caps, Harder & Steenbeck Professional Airbrush Kits. As you can see from the pictures, I can get fine lines with no tip drying issues. My e-mail is mcohendr@comcast.net. When thinning vallejo (or citadel which I like far less, but sometimes use), it's not really precise. 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To know is not I hadn't thought of adding Future, as I've also noticed that they dry "soft"I'll have to give that a whirl. lightfast and waterproof, and can even be cleaned in a dishwasher. That article must have been poorly researched. As is the case with other brands, usually it's recommended to use the brand's proprietary thinner. Even Tamiya does that. By I added some pictures of old models airbrushes with Vallejo model air. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Objects painted with Colorima are Vallejo Model Color - preparing for use with airbrush. Thanks, I do basically the same, Just to clarify, the Vallejo retarder, is the really sticky goopy stuff? The JVR Colors are highly pigmented and are suitable for a wide range of applications including General Art, Automotive and T-Shirt airbrushing. Thank you for your response Thinhead, good to know that the finish doesn't have adverse side effects. So I did some tests and found a mixture for airbrushing that is fantastic. It seems that it becomes less durable, but I've little experience with Vallejo paints to make a judgment. Distilled water costs less than $2.00 a gallon, even witha Poland Springs label on it. It was started in the 1970s, then started making Model Color in 1992 (according to its FAQ). Further reading points out that Tamiya and other alcohol-based acrylics are based on older types of paint formulations. Thanks again for your help. I think the small bottle I am using is the old sticky stuff. Also, a little goes a long way. It has held up well during the subsequent painting process and on the finished subject. But I have "Mix" ready for the future. Liquid Gold 46 Holton Road The purpose for testing was to determine whether or not an alcohol could be used as a cosolvent to modify coating performance. -Vallejo retarder On 7/16/2020 at 5:35 PM, airmechaja said: On 7/8/2020 at 7:52 PM, FalconFan24 said: On 8/16/2020 at 7:54 PM, martin_sam_2000 said: General Discussion - NO POLITICS, My how to airbrush "Vallejo Model Air Color" instructional guide. Could you explain your mixture further,as I don't understand the details. Acrylicos Vallejo has its own factory and it states that it does not sell products to be rebranded. You'll end up with a pulsating, congealed lump of goo. For this example, I added in 6 drops mixture to 5 drops paint. BTW DO NOT try & thin Vallejo with alcohol. Wow, that's long-winded of me, but hope I have answered your questions. What to mix with what a simple guide. Then shake the hell out of the bottle. What you need: And I do wonder whether, if they were all U.S. or Japanese companies, people would form the same impression. I am told that the Russian hull in real life is virtually the same color as White Ensign Models Colourcoat paint line's US Navy Anti-Fouling Red. I don't know what crazy alchemy this mix is but I couldn't do any of those things back when I first used them colors. It works very well with my PS770 0.18mm airbrush, still have some tip dry, but the line is very fine and crispy. You cannot paste images directly. Do you use Vallejo's proprietary thinner in your mixture? Personally I haven't tried thinning Vallejo with water, but as indicated above I've heard it works fine. I do spray both the game color and model color line from vallejo when I need a specific color, and generally have good success. As for Chris' suggestion to strain your paint: never put paint in an airbrush that hasn't been strained.